Ep. 022 | Building Healthy Churches | AJ Mathieu

Update: 2025-05-15

Description

Building Healthy Churches: A Conversation with AJ Mathieu of The Malphurs Group

In this episode, we sit down with AJ Mathieu from The Malphurs Group to discuss church revitalization, leadership development, and building healthy churches. Drawing from his decade of experience in ministry and the legacy of Dr. Aubrey Malphurs, AJ shares valuable insights on how churches can move from decline to vitality.

Key Quote

"We can't make anybody change. And we tell every single church we work with, we will lead you through this with the greatest capability and resources we have. But we cannot make you do the work. You have to want it." - AJ Mathieu

About Our Guest

AJ Mathieu serves with The Malphurs Group, continuing the legacy of Dr. Aubrey Malphurs who was a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary for 35 years and authored 26 books. The organization focuses on church health, revitalization, and leadership development.

Key Insights from the Episode

On Church Assessment

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of churches are plateaued or declining in the U.S. and then even more broadly speaking in the West."

The Malphurs Group evaluates churches in four key areas:

Mission focus

Current values assessment

Discipleship pathway

Vision assessment

Common Revitalization Mistakes

"There's an illusion that us meeting and talking about things and planning is actually doing the work and it's not."

Key pitfalls to avoid:

Over-relying on cosmetic changes

Implementing changes too quickly

Extended planning without action

Insufficient relationship building

On Building Leadership Teams

"We want it to be a positive group of people that all feel positively about the potential for the future of the church working together."

Recommended characteristics for strategic leadership team members:

Ministry leaders (paid or volunteer)

Future-focused individuals

Active church participants

People with godly character

Those who respect church authority

Resources Mentioned

The Malphurs Group Tools

Healthy Churches Toolkit

Comprehensive resource launched September 2023

Features training videos, assessments, and AI tools

Monthly workshops and new resources

Digital versions of Dr. Malphurs' assessments

Book Reference

"Advanced Strategic Planning" by Dr. Aubrey Malphurs

Essential resource for church leaders

Includes practical assessments and worksheets

Used in seminaries worldwide

Connect with The Malphurs Group

Website: malphursgroup.com

Services available to churches across denominations

Free initial consultation available

Final Encouragement

"No matter how alone you might feel in ministry, you're not. And there's people that want to see you thrive and they want to see you get back to that first vision you had... whenever God called you to ministry." - AJ Mathieu

The episode emphasizes that while church revitalization is challenging, it's possible with the right approach, proper pacing, and adequate support. The key is being willing to do the work while maintaining hope and seeking help when needed.